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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:00:19] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Welcome to the Jukebox Podcast from WP Tavern. My name is Nathan Wrigley.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jukebox is a podcast which is dedicated to all things WordPress, the people, the events, the plugins, the blocks, the themes, and in this case how WordPress Credits bridges education and industry in the WordPress ecosystem.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;d like to subscribe to the podcast, you can do that by searching for WP Tavern in your podcast player of choice, or by going to wptavern.com/feed/podcast, and you can copy that URL into most podcast players.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you have a topic that you&#8217;d like us to feature on the podcast, I&#8217;m keen to hear from you and hopefully get you, or your idea, featured on the show. Head to wptavern.com/contact/jukebox and use the form there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So on the podcast today we have Ivana ─åirkovi─ç. Ivana is a digital marketer with 18 years of experience working both in and out of the tech industry, and currently leads marketing at WPBakery. She&#8217;s an active participant in WordPress events, having attended, and spoken at, numerous local and international word camps over the years.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In this episode, our focus is on the WordPress Credits initiative. We learn how this program, launched by the WordPress Foundation, connects students with real world opportunities to contribute to the WordPress ecosystem, earn certifications, and increase their competitiveness in the job market.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ivana discusses her own experience as a WP Credits mentor, working with students as they learn about digital marketing, remote work, and other open source contributions. We explore, how universities can modernise their curriculums, and real world value for students by participating in the initiative, and how businesses can get involved, not just to support the community, but to help shape and discover future talent.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The program&#8217;s evolving structure also gets attention, and we learn how students are guided through hands-on activities such as translation or documentation, and how their progress is tracked publicly via profiles on wordpress.org. Ivana shares the opportunities and challenges for both educators and businesses with thoughts on accountability, mentorship, and the need to bring new faces into the WordPress community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;re interested in the future of WordPress, education, or bridging the gap between academia and industry, this episode is for you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;d like to find out more, you can find all of the links in the show notes by heading to wptavern.com/podcast, where you&#8217;ll find all the other episodes as well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so without further delay, I bring you Ivana ─åirkovi─ç.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I am joined on the podcast by Ivana ─åirkovi─ç. Did I get that right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:14] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yes. Excellent.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:16] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Thank you. This is my first interview at WordCamp Europe 2026. I&#8217;m guessing because we&#8217;re on the first day of the event and it&#8217;s quite early in the morning, it&#8217;s 10 in the morning, I&#8217;m guessing you cannot have done your presentation yet?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:30] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Not yet. Tomorrow.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:32] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Do you get nervous with these kind of things?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:34] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> I get nervous all the time. I&#8217;ve been doing this for 12 years, it never gets easier. It is what it is.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:39] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Well, the presentation that you are doing is going to be the focus of what we&#8217;re talking about today. So do you just want to tell us a little bit about the topic that you&#8217;re talking about, but also just give us a bit of a general bio about who you are and what you do. So just tell us about you and about your presentation basically.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:56] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Okay. First thing first, I would like to introduce my presentation, or the talk, that is build up around WordPress Credits initiative, which is something that WordPress has rolled out late last year in December. And I applied to be a mentor to support students into their entering into WordPress. Got accepted, did my courses, passed them and started working with students on their, first entering the WordPress society, how everything works, contributing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And out of all of this, I came up with the idea of sharing the story about WordPress Credits. What it is, why it is important, not just for the WordPress community, but also for universities all around the world for businesses to support, because there is an angle and huge opportunity for them too. And hopefully inspire people to join and become part of it more.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As far as I&#8217;m concerned, my name is ΓÇèIvana ─åirkovi─ç and I am a digital marketer for 18 years. I&#8217;ve been working inside tech organisations, tech industry, but also outside of it. So I&#8217;m the multiverse. And lately, for past couple of years, I&#8217;ve been working in WPBakery, in marketing their product, and talking to people, sharing knowledge of what we do, how we do it, and so on. In the meantime I am attending many, many WordCamps, local and international ones, giving lectures, giving talks about digital marketing and all things related.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:05:39] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So are you here at this event, not just to give your presentation, are you also here on behalf of WPBakery to represent them and the products that they have as well?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:05:47] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yes, we are sponsors. I am speaker, I was table lead for marketing on Contributors Day. So we are wide into the ecosystem.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:05:56] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I have to say, having only been in this event space for about an hour, I&#8217;m actually deeply impressed by this particular event. It really is a gigantic venue. It&#8217;s so pleasurable as well to see the WordPress community in such large numbers here. And so we&#8217;re looking forward to a really good event.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay, let&#8217;s kick off with the topic at hand then. So it occurs to me that many people listening, whilst they&#8217;re using WordPress and they&#8217;re kind of, I don&#8217;t know, they&#8217;re building websites for people, and they&#8217;ve got products and plugins and they&#8217;re just general users. It may be that the community piece, and the educational piece, is nothing that they&#8217;ve heard of before. So would you just tell us a little bit about what WP Credits is as far as you&#8217;re concerned, just to give us that broad background of what it is?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:06:40] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Okay. So WP Credits program is initially made to bring new young people into the WordPress, to broaden the ecosystem with the new fresh blood, new contributors. And to do so, WordPress Foundation initiated this program to connect with universities all across the world. To connect students to some programs, to learn about WordPress through contribution. For that, they will get graded and get certification, which in the end will help them be more marketable, and have more modern knowledge of what is needed in today&#8217;s job market, and to be more competitive and more appealing to potential employers.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So by doing so, WordPress Credits aims to broaden the ecosystem, to strengthen the WordPress community, and WordPress itself. But also to put new generations in more marketable place, and to help them get more profitable jobs.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:07:45] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Thank you. That was a really nice summary. In terms of your personal commitment to it and what have you, how did you fall into it as a thing that you were doing? And is this something that you get sponsored for from WPBakery, or is it personal and simply a sort of philanthropic thing that you are doing on the side?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:08:01] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yeah, so basically, I&#8217;ve been doing education my whole professional life. So it&#8217;s something that comes natural to me. In my local country, in Serbia, I do informal education for high schoolers and primary school&#8217;s children about digital marketing, digital literacy. This is like very natural to me. I&#8217;m being sponsored by WPBakery to do so.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And the program works like, initiative needs people, needs more mentors to get involved. More than it needs like product and businesses to support with their products. So if there are businesses who are maybe interested in support through their product, know that you need to put your people first to actually get involved and contribute, and then you can offer products as the side piece, so to say.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:08:52] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So yeah, it seems that you&#8217;ve got a lifelong interest in education as well. Okay, that gives me some sort of hook there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay, if I was to say WP Credits to the people outside, the people who already knew about it, I think would probably peg it as entirely educational in nature, just an education initiative. But curiously, your presentation, the notes that went with that and the blurb that went on the WordCamp Europe website, you kind of make the point that it&#8217;s much bigger than that, and you get into businesses and the students themselves and universities.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So the students in universities bit, well, that&#8217;s the education piece. But the business bit, what&#8217;s going on there? Because I definitely hadn&#8217;t drawn that intuition. I thought education from top to bottom. But business, okay, where does that fit in?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:09:37] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> I will get the hot insights from the talk. So basically, there is more than what meets the eye, so to speak. Businesses have unique opportunity to shape people they want to employ by getting involved as mentors. They also get the chance to see firsthand how those young minds work in real environments, in real contribution. And they get the chance to pick and choose who they want to employ by seeing them work on some real things. Whether it&#8217;s documentation, whether it&#8217;s translation or programming, developing something, AI.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We need more people who know what they do, although they are young. By having students in this program, they are working on not fictional things, but actual things that really contribute to community and businesses as a whole. By supporting this initiative, businesses then in relations to that can get more insights into who they want to employ. So on top of that, they are building the better market for themselves as well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:10:42] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I guess the student university piece is fairly obvious. You know, WP Credits and the people working on that project communicate with universities, they&#8217;re probably easy to find. You know, if you go to a phone directory for example, they&#8217;ll all be there. And it&#8217;s an easy thing to do. You phone up the university and see if there&#8217;s interest. And I know that some universities have taken up the WP Credits program. And it seems to be, as far as I can work out, it seems to be working very successfully.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">How are you going to make the connection with businesses? Because that seems like a much more scattered, I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;re going to be working with big businesses, you know, huge companies or if it&#8217;s going to be kind of more the businesses on the street, the smaller businesses, that kind of thing. So, I&#8217;ll just sort of hand it over at that point.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:11:23] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> So basically, web agencies, businesses around WordPress, we know they have an issue with new employees onboarding last, let&#8217;s say three to six months. That cost time and money and other people who are teaching them what needs to be done and how.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then we have WordPress Credit students who are already doing that junior type of work within contribution. They&#8217;re already onboarded through using Slack, knowing how to do remote work, what needs to be done. So businesses supporting WordPress Credits initiative can choose those students and spend less time and money and energy in onboarding them because they already went through that by doing WordPress Credits program.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:12:10] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, I guess if you are a small web agency, it&#8217;s highly likely that you won&#8217;t necessarily have an induction program finely tuned, so that the young people that are coming through have this sort of specialised system where they can get some accreditation. It&#8217;s probably more, okay, I&#8217;m going to assign you to John this week and then next week you&#8217;re going to go over to Susan and follow what they&#8217;re doing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So is there a sort of structured program that, let&#8217;s say a web agency based in London could drop into and receive documentation about? Where are we at with that whole process for the busineses?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:12:44] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yeah, so since this initiative is still fairly new and we already have just one generation of students that are passed the program, this is something in development. So at the moment, we still don&#8217;t have like a specific structure that is based just for agencies and businesses in general, but it is something that we are considering and working towards too. So definitely.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On the other hand, the upper management organisational team might not be aware to the fullest what am I about to talk. So it might come as a surprise to them, but also it is something in the works as well. So give us some time and we will come up with something.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:13:26] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, it feels like that would be something really credible. Because if you&#8217;re a small business owner, the last thing you want to be doing is kind of wasting time. And onboarding somebody might be something that you&#8217;d have to divert weeks into, you know, syphoning employees off, writing documentation, SOPs, those kind of things. And if you could just pick something up off the shelf that was tried and tested over many years, that would actually be really handy. So good luck. I hope that that initiative comes off.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In terms of students, if you were a student, let&#8217;s say you are at a university, or you are looking for work, what would you say would be some of the top line items that you would mention as to why WP Credits is worth looking at? Because, you know, if I&#8217;m at a university, there&#8217;s probably a thousand different things that I could be doing. WP Credits would be in competition with all of those. Why do you think it&#8217;s something that young people should be taking care of to look at?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:14:17] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yeah, I would think differently, in that sense. Universities curriculums are outdated comparing to the industry that we are living and working in. So WordPress Credits gives something that is in trend. That is happening now that people are using and working now. So students who choose to go to this program are gaining the most efficient and not outdated curriculum, and things that are being worked on in this moment.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And this is bigger than WordPress. It is initially for WordPress, but the knowledge students get, nobody can take that away. They learn to be outspoken. They learn to use all the necessary remote work tools that is applicable in all the industry.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So we are really encouraging them to be very marketable employees and people who have portfolios, whether they choose that category that brings them portfolio. That is very transparent throughout whatever they do. Because on wordpress.org, every contribution is noted. So they&#8217;re building their own business brand by doing WordPress Credits. And in that way they are more marketable and can get more business opportunities.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:15:42] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I didn&#8217;t realise that the wordpress.org profile, is it the profile that you mean?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:15:47] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:15:47] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Each time you participate in one of these credit programs, that will be a badge, for want of a better word, that you can display and it will be freely available for the public. And presumably that will be difficult to acquire. That&#8217;s the wrong word. What I mean is, it won&#8217;t be simple to acquire. You will genuinely have had to.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:16:07] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yes, you need to do the work. Let&#8217;s say students are interested in translation. So they go to Polyglots team and they get assigned to a mentor who is on weekly basis working with them on onboarding, helping them how to navigate through wordpress.org website, translation, what needs to be done. And basically, for that student, they need to translate to have approved translation, 150 strings approved.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So that doesn&#8217;t mean, okay, I will translate 150 words. No, no. You might need to translate 500 words out of which 150 is approved. And this is the bare minimum you need to do in order to get that badge that you contributed. Because that contribution, each contribution needs to be something very specific and tailored to help other people. That is very open and helpful.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:17:00] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So you mentioned translations there, which obviously is just one of multiple things that you could do, and we could list them all out, but we won&#8217;t. How is that curriculum, I&#8217;m doing air quotes, how is that curriculum decided upon? In other words, how do you decide, okay, I&#8217;m going to do a bit of translation, I&#8217;m going to do a bit of work on Core, I&#8217;m going to work for the Plugin Review Team? How is that decided? And, how is it decided by the institution, I guess that that&#8217;s going to equal something which our university will stamp as part of your degree, let&#8217;s say?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:17:33] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yeah. So basically, that is all arranged between the foundation and universities. You won&#8217;t get IT students doing marketing if that&#8217;s not their preferable choice. So students opt in. They&#8217;re given the whole like curriculum, categories of things they can contribute to. And the one they choose, this is the one they stick to throughout all the programs.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So you cannot switch in between like translation and documentation, or plugins, or WP-CLI whatever. The whole program stick to one chosen category. And that is all aligned with the, let&#8217;s say, topic of university. So IT is preferable for IT related contributions. Communications are also more favourable towards translation community, marketing. So it&#8217;s aligned that way.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:18:23] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So flipping that round, so we&#8217;ve been talking about it from the point of view of the students. Now let&#8217;s just flip it around to the point of view of the university. I guess the same thing applies. They would have to communicate with the Foundation and say, okay, these are the kind of things that we wish our students to do. These particular strands, we will, you know, if they do 500 translation strings, that will count as something. I guess there&#8217;s got to be some interface between the Foundation and each university to establish what a credit equals.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:18:50] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yeah, common ground as to how WordPress Credits adds to the official curriculum of the university. And the thing that university get out of it, they are in position to offer modern, in trend, teachings, and that makes them more appealing to next generation of students. Because the more their existing students who are in the WordPress Credits program are succeeding, the more desirable the university gets to newer generations because they don&#8217;t teach outdated curriculums. They&#8217;re aligning to what is now efficient and needed in the job market.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:19:30] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I suppose also as well, when I was at university, there was a choice of about, I don&#8217;t know, four things to do each year. Something like that. You could do this or this or this. And you had to pick one of them and that was your pathway. This feels much more wide open because knowing the WordPress ecosystem, I know that there&#8217;s dozens, maybe multiple dozens of different things that you could be involved in.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So that&#8217;s quite appealing as well, isn&#8217;t it? You know, you can just take a little nibble of this one thing, and another nibble of this. And so there&#8217;s potentially multiple dozens of different pathways that you could pick. And whilst you say that, once you&#8217;ve decided you&#8217;ve got to stick to that, well, that&#8217;s fair enough, but the fact that you&#8217;ve got so many different ways that you could choose. That to me as a university student would&#8217;ve been really appealing. The fact that there&#8217;s so many different things that you could do.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:20:15] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yeah. And once they got in, the overall input that we get from students that, first they don&#8217;t know that something like this exists. And once they go deep and start work, it&#8217;s like, wow. The whole mind just shifts, and they are amazed by all the possibilities that they can do within WordPress that isn&#8217;t talked about.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:20:36] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. And I presume they get to do it in the way that the WordPress community works, which is remotely distributed and when you wish to do it. So long as I, you make the end of the university period of whatever a semester is or something, so long as you make the deadline, you can do it at night or in the early morning or.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:20:57] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Exactly. So they are training to be like workers as we all are today, that are not restrained with some deadlines or by official university rules. They&#8217;re accountable for the final output. How will they come to that output? It&#8217;s entirely up to them because, yes, they are young but they&#8217;re not so young that they cannot be held accountable for their actions. So they need to do the work. We got weekly mentorships and assessments. So it&#8217;s a fun ride.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:21:31] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So just touching on that, the sort of ongoing support that every student needs, because with the best rule in the world, there&#8217;s a proportion of students who will leave everything to the last minute. I&#8217;m looking at myself in the mirror when I say that. So that ongoing support, it&#8217;s a weekly sort of huddle. And is that like a one-to-one thing or is it a one to many thing?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:21:50] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yeah, so depending on the number of students, if a mentor has a one or two students, it can be one-to-one. If there are more like five or six, it&#8217;s better to have a group meeting on a weekly basis, and then Slack chats in between if anything is more needed than that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So basically we go through what they did last week, are there any setbacks or they need additional help, or do they need information from other parts of the team? Are they interested in something else? So we are really trying to get them involved in a way that matters to them.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One of the things that each student needs to do, no matter section they chose, is to create a blog and to have weekly blog posts. So we discuss about that. What interests them. Whether they want to be something personal like, or professional like. So it&#8217;s very interesting to see how they think and how they express themself and how they build their online persona.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:22:55] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Do those huddles take place on a, let&#8217;s say university by university basis? So for example, when you join and you mentor students, are they from the entire WP Campus project, or are you doing it from the university of this town and the university of that town?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:23:13] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> No, it&#8217;s mixed and matched.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:23:14] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So, okay, well that&#8217;s a real strength as well it feels, because presumably then you&#8217;re on a call with people potentially from all over the world. Certainly people that you may not have encountered before. And those sort of serendipitous chance encounters can sometimes be some of the more meaningful ones. You know, work comes out of those things, and meetups come out of those things, and unexpected things come out of those things. So that must be really nice as well, watching those kind of things happen.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:23:42] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yeah, it&#8217;s like nothing I experienced before. And just to have the privilege to talk and work with those people, you never know what can come up out of them, and out of our connections. And I get inspired every time we have chats and they make me want to be a better educator.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:24:03] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Oh, that&#8217;s interesting.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:24:04] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> So, yeah, that&#8217;s my take out of all this.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:24:06] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. Okay, so there&#8217;s actually some psychological benefit for you as well. You get a real nice feeling of it. Okay, that&#8217;s really good.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So with the best will in the world, a university, every year there&#8217;s a cohort of children, young adults, whatever it may be, whichever institution it is, and a proportion of them will work diligently and hard and they will succeed. And some others maybe not so much.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">How does that work? How do you ensure that everybody gets through it? And I don&#8217;t know if there&#8217;s enough data to answer this question. Again, I&#8217;m doing air quotes, how is the pass rate? Do most people that embark on this get through the necessary things? Or is there a fair bit of, I don&#8217;t know, discipline, for want of a better word, that needs to be applied and cajoling people to get through it?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:24:46] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yeah, so I touched base on the accountability. So we have not strict rules, but recommendations. Weekly mentor chats, async communication through Slack. They all have weekly tasks that needed to be done. So if a student don&#8217;t answer the message or come to weekly mentor call three times, they are no longer WordPress Credit students. And that is the accountability.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You need to show yourself that you are willing to do the work. So if you don&#8217;t care, we won&#8217;t force you to do that if you don&#8217;t want to. We will set reminders, we will call back, we will reach out. But if you are no show, no tell anything for three times, then evidently you are not for that. You don&#8217;t wish to be there, and we won&#8217;t force you to be there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:25:40] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> And then in some way, are you required then to report that back to the institution and sort of say, okay, we&#8217;ve reached the end of the road here, and then it&#8217;s for them to figure out how that impacts. And presumably the students can.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:25:53] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Their grades, yeah.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:25:53] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, their grades what have you, okay. Touching back on the sort of business side, because we&#8217;ve dwelled a lot with students and universities and we&#8217;re going to stay with students, because that&#8217;s really the underpinning of the whole thing. How has the business side of things, is it taking off? You were describing that it&#8217;s kind of like a new thing. Have you got any sort of success stories or anecdotal evidence that people do in fact want this?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:26:15] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yeah, so it&#8217;s still fairly new, so we don&#8217;t have those anecdotes yet. One of the reasons why I&#8217;m here at the WordCamp Europe is to find out and to get new perspective from businesses to like reach out to them to see what they think about the program. Would they want to be evolved. And how to give tips, maybe how we can improve. So stay tuned for more.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:26:38] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. And it is interesting, when you walk around an event like this, I don&#8217;t have the exact numbers, but the demographic is definitely skewing older. There&#8217;s not so many 18 year olds. And if this community wishes to carry on, at some point the age demographic will get to retirement age.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:26:57] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Yeah. Just last night we were talking. I&#8217;ve been in the community for 11 years. And for 11 years all the same faces are here. And we really need new faces. But to get new faces, WordPress Credits is one part of the solution. But then again, we need to meet young people where they are. And they are not on the conferences, they are not on websites, they don&#8217;t use websites, they don&#8217;t care about websites. They are on very specific social media channels. And if we want to get fresh, new, young blood, we need to go there and to present what we do in a way that matters to those kids.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:27:35] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> In terms of success, if you were to, I don&#8217;t know, let&#8217;s imagine that we could cast our minds forwards five years, let&#8217;s go for that. What would you like to have happened with WP Credits? Would you like, for example, to see a bunch of 20 somethings wandering around in an event like this? Does it matter that they&#8217;re involved in the community and doing WordPress events and contributing to Core and those kind of things? Or is success just more broadly, people are using WordPress? You know, it&#8217;s still a project. What&#8217;s your take on, what does success look like in five years?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:28:08] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> For me, I would like to see more young people involved. Yes, we will always have users because in its core, WordPress is a very useful tool. And I&#8217;m happy to stumble upon that tool many, many years ago to use it both personally and professionally. But I really want to see young people involved in a way that we were involved 10, 15 years ago, and to see what can happen with WordPress.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I strongly believe it&#8217;ll be transformed, not with AI or all other flashy trends. WordPress has always been about people. And we need new people, we need young people to get it where it needs to be.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We are getting older and don&#8217;t have strengths or stamina to do so for how many long years. By having new kids, fresh perspectives, I&#8217;m really excited to see what they can come up with next.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:29:08] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, it&#8217;s kind of handing over the baton in a way, isn&#8217;t it? Seeing what the future holds. Yeah, I definitely have concerns that the age demographic is skewing. And no matter what has happened in the past, I don&#8217;t see it being backfilled with younger people moment.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But I think that&#8217;s largely because we just assumed that that age demographic would fill itself, because we were excited about it, so the younger generation will be excited about it. Well it turns out the world moved on. And TikTok came along, and YouTube became a massive thing and mobile phones and all the different platforms became a thing. And so the attention was put elsewhere by many young people.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so I suppose we needed to come up with a system where we are, in a sense, just putting it in front of their face and saying, look, it&#8217;s here. You know, you&#8217;re a university student, you are somebody looking for work in a small business. Here&#8217;s a credible way of getting involved in something which potentially could change your life. That seems like the most credible way of doing it at the moment. And I guess we&#8217;ll just have to see what the next five years brings.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In which case, is there anything that you felt you wanted to touch on that you wanted to get out of this chat before we finished?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:30:15] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> No, I think you did it masterfully. And we touched base on everything that needed to be said.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:30:20] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Perfect. In that case, I will say Ivana, thank you for chatting to me today. Fingers crossed that your presentation goes well tomorrow, and that you pack the place out, and that by this time next week, you are extremely busy with the WP Credits program. Thanks for chatting to me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:30:34] <strong>Ivana ─åirkovi─ç:</strong> Thank you. Thank you for inviting me.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So on the podcast today we have Ivana ─åirkovi─ç.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ivana is a digital marketer with 18 years of experience working both in and out of the tech industry, and currently leads marketing at WPBakery. SheΓÇÖs an active participant in WordPress events, having attended and spoken at numerous local and international WordCamps over the years.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In this episode, our focus is on the WordPress Credits initiative. We learn how this program, launched by the WordPress Foundation, connects students with real-world opportunities to contribute to the WordPress ecosystem, earn certifications, and increase their competitiveness on the job market.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ivana discusses her own experience as a WP Credits mentor, working with students as they learn about digital marketing, remote work, and open source contributions. We explore how universities can modernise their curriculums and add real-world value for students by participating in the initiative, and how businesses can get involved, not just to support the community, but to help shape and discover future talent.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The programΓÇÖs evolving structure also gets attention, and we learn how students are guided through hands-on activities such as translation or documentation, and how their progress is tracked publicly via profiles on WordPress.org. Ivana shares the opportunities and challenges for both educators and businesses, with thoughts on accountability, mentorship, and the need to bring new faces into the WordPress community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If youΓÇÖre interested in the future of WordPress, education, or bridging the gap between academia and industry, this episode is for you.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Useful links</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://learn.wordpress.org/course/wordpress-credits/">WordPress Credits</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://wpbakery.com">WPBakery</a></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When the pilot launched, the goal was to test whether open source learning could connect directly to job pathways rather than stopping at a certificate. What makes this program distinct is that it is built on open source from the ground up: students learn on WordPress, contribute to it, and use generative AI the way the WordPress ecosystem uses it every day, leaving with a credential that employers can verify and a community that continues long after the course ends.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The pilot reflects a shared belief that AI and open source skills should be within reach regardless of where someone lives or what they can afford.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The program is a collaboration with distinct roles for each partner. It is funded through the <a href="https://osf.it.uic.edu/">UIC Tech Solutions Open Source Fund</a>, with support from the <a href="https://www.uic.edu/">University of Illinois Chicago</a> and <a href="https://automattic.com/?p=867048">Automattic</a>, while the WordPress project and the <a href="https://wordpressfoundation.org/">WordPress Foundation</a> contribute to the development of the curriculum itself.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>WordPress offers a wide range of educational opportunities for people at every stage, from first steps to advanced contribution. Explore workshops, lesson plans, and community-created resources designed to help you build practical skills while connecting with others who are learning and contributing at <a href="https://wordpress.org/education/">WordPress.org/education/</a>.</em></p>";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:7:"pubDate";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:31:"Mon, 29 Jun 2026 20:29:26 +0000";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}}s:32:"http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/";a:1:{s:7:"creator";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:12:"Mary Hubbard";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}}}}i:36;a:6:{s:4:"data";s:21:"
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
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";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:14:"Matt: Om Links";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:23:"https://ma.tt/?p=153359";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:31:"https://ma.tt/2026/06/om-links/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:6357:"<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There has been a lot of excitement about the OmFest idea. If you&#8217;d like to attend or contribute, <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScyY9c5MowPFW6BmIitqaaF3T-ykM_d8eD2pq2XqwSt7N50zg/viewform?usp=header" rel="noopener" target="_blank">please fill out this form as soon as possible</a> so we can gauge the type of venue we need.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Update: <a href="https://thankyouom.com/">ThankYouOm.com from Michael Galpert pulls together all the tweets, Instagram posts, and blog posts into a beautiful site</a>.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It&#8217;s truly a testament to how Om lived life to see the outpouring of remembrances <a href="https://om.co/2026/06/24/1966-2026/">in comments on the post</a> and <a href="https://www.techmeme.com/260625/p50#a260625p50">around the web on Techmeme</a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I do wish he had been more public earlier in his health journey. You never know what you&#8217;ll learn. I&#8217;ll take that as a lesson for myself if I&#8217;m ever in a similar situation.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There have been some great long-form writings about Om:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://daringfireball.net/2026/06/om">John Gruber ties together Apple, the Yankees, and luggage</a>. &#8220;<em>He not busy being born is busy dying</em>, wrote Dylan. Om Malik wasnΓÇÖt busy dying even when he was dying.&#8221;</li>



<li><a href="https://brian.blog/om/">Brian Sirgutz, Curiosity and the Art of Being Seen. On Professor Om &amp; the Malik School for Gifted Omies, Derek Jeter and Truth in Legacy</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/in-loving-memory-of-om-malik-friend-writer-venture-capitalist-and-ever-the-believer">Ben Clymer on Hodinkee</a>. &#8220;Om changed my life. He did it in many ways, often slowly and with subtlety, always with kindness and eminent belief in me.&#8221;</li>



<li><a href="https://staceyoniot.com/thank-you-om-malik/">Stacey Higginbotham</a> from the original GigaOM.</li>



<li><a href="https://mathewingram.com/work/2026/06/25/om-malik-1966-2026/">Mathew Ingram</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/26/technology/om-malik-dead.html">The New York Times did an obituary</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://runtimewire.com/article/om-malik-taught-silicon-valley-to-read-itself">Ryan Merket on RuntimeWire</a>.</li>



<li>Om introduced <a href="https://krutal.blog/2026/06/26/om/">Krutal Desai as his son</a>. &#8220;He had a rare gift of seeing 20 steps ahead while explaining things with remarkable simplicity. He gave wisdom freely, never seeking credit, only wanting to help others succeed.&#8221;</li>



<li><a href="https://susanhobbs.blog/2026/06/27/the-gravity-of-om/">Susan Hobbs</a>. &#8220;He was a teddy bear to those fortunate enough to know him. [&#8230;] Om created gravity. He was someone you wanted to be around.&#8221;</li>



<li><a href="https://founderthings.substack.com/p/interview-om-malik">Helena Price shares her thoughts and an old interview of Om</a>. &#8220;If you believe and you canΓÇÖt seem to do anything other than think about something, youΓÇÖve just got to keep doing it. I think the universe has to follow. WhatΓÇÖs the point of living if you donΓÇÖt chase whatΓÇÖs important to you?&#8221;</li>



<li><a href="https://pradeep.md/2026/06/25/om.html">Pradeep Elankumaran</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://blog.naveen.com/2026/06/om-2/">Naveen Selvadurai</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://explorers.com/my-friend-om/">Christopher Michel</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://x.com/jgheller/status/2070267958891524448">Jonathan Gheller</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://x.com/mamoonha/status/2070255545643364515">Mamoon Hamid</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://boingboing.net/2026/06/25/om-malik-1966-2026.html">Rob Beschizza on Boing Boing</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.airsugar.com/p/om-malik-1966-to-2026">Brian Sugar</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://hugo.blog/2026/06/25/r-i-p-om-malik-%f0%9f%96%a4/">Hugo Barra</a> on how Om got him to write.</li>



<li><a href="https://everwas.com/2026/06/om/">Ian Kennedy</a>, also with some great quotes.</li>



<li><a href="https://toni.org/2026/06/25/om-malik/">Toni Schneider</a>. &#8220;Om was a wonderful person, artistic soul, and original thinker. He was always curious, generous, and warm-hearted.&#8221;</li>



<li><a href="https://seanbonner.com/2026/06/29/death-and-what-we-leave-behind/">Sean Bonner</a>. &#8220;[H]is feedback and criticism could be sharp ΓÇô but it was always with the hope that things could be better.&#8221;</li>



<li><a href="https://battellemedia.com/archives/2026/06/remembering-om-malik">John Battelle</a>. &#8220;Om quickly decided his integrity was more important than the ad dollars he was making with Federated&#8221;</li>



<li><a href="https://winnielim.org/journal/om/">Winnie Lim</a>. &#8220;Om was one of the very few people in this world I can have an intense conversation about form and content with.&#8221;</li>



<li><a href="https://glass.photo/highlights/remembering-om">Glass.photo</a>. &#8220;ItΓÇÖs not lost on us that <a href="https://glass.photo/om">OmΓÇÖs photography</a>, often taken in frozen lands in or around the arctic circle, was the polar opposite of his personality.&#8221;</li>



<li><a href="https://spyglass.org/om/">M.G. Siegler</a>. &#8220;The true natural born blogger.&#8221;</li>



<li><a href="https://outsidewithacamera.substack.com/p/om-malik-the-path-of-the-one">Rod Clark, The Path of the One</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/dina.kaplan/posts/pfbid02tiAYzbwam4qZGrtSYquvMUujBFjMzkf8EJFmiUhJHXFt9TYEHmWRrskXagwuxXcsl">Dina Kaplan</a>, &#8220;Om &#8211; I say as tears come to my eyes &#8211; wanted nothing but to be kind. To be supportive. And to be a friend.&#8221;</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I know I&#8217;m missing a ton, I&#8217;ll update the above. I also added a <a href="https://ma.tt/2026/06/om-forever/">few more vignettes and pictures to the last post</a>.</p>



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";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:26:"Matt: All Roads Lead to Om";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:23:"https://ma.tt/?p=153320";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:33:"https://ma.tt/2026/06/om-forever/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:7253:"<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yesterday, my best friend and brother from another mother, Om Malik, <a href="https://om.co/2026/06/24/1966-2026/">passed away</a>. </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Om&#8217;s request was for a small family prayer ceremony. In mourning, that will be all there is. In celebration and tribute, I love that everyone is <a href="https://www.techmeme.com/260625/p50#a260625p50">sharing their Om stories online</a>, like the <a href="https://explorers.com/my-friend-om/">writing and photography Christopher Michel shared</a>, which very much embody the OG spirit of blogging that Om pioneered.</p>



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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">A Renaissance Man</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I knew Om contained multitudes, but sitting by his side these last few weeks, I&#8217;ve been amazed to learn how many deep and completely separate communities he was part of. He meant so much to so many, in so many different ways.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Om loved putting on a good conference, and I&#8217;d like to celebrate his life with an awesome event on September 29, 2026 (his 60th) in San Francisco, like an <strong>OmFest</strong>. (Update: <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScyY9c5MowPFW6BmIitqaaF3T-ykM_d8eD2pq2XqwSt7N50zg/viewform?usp=header">Sign up here</a>!) I&#8217;ll find a space where every community from the many facets of Om can come together. In the spirit of Open Source and co-creation, we can have some booths, flash talks, a gallery of his photography, pen showcase, and whatever other fun ideas people want to contribute. I can&#8217;t wait for the beautiful collision of his tech / journalism / Indian party planner / pen / coffee / shoes / photography circles, and probably some niches I couldn&#8217;t even imagine.</p>



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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">A Few Vignettes</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I have so much to say about Om, but right now I&#8217;m working on <a href="https://om.co/2026/06/24/1966-2026/">moderating comments</a> and keeping his website tip-top, so here are a few snippets:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Fundamentally, Om was a lover of humanity. He became a fast &#8220;regular&#8221; everywhere he went. He wouldn&#8217;t just buy coffee, he would also learn the name and story of every barista, the dogs and people in South Park. His deep curiosity and respect weren&#8217;t just for the fine and famous. It extended to every soul that crossed his path. His encyclopedic knowledge and photographic memory created connections not just in San Francisco, but all around the world wherever we traveled. (I need to pull the stats, but we went to five continents together, including Antarctica.)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He loved people and their stories. </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Om and I were an odd couple. We met online through forums and email because Om was one of the earliest adopters of WordPress. We finally met in person in 2004 when I was 20 and he was 38. He connected me to the first investors I ever spoke to, Phil Black, who formed True Ventures, and Tony Conrad, and introduced me to Toni Schneider, my business soul mate, who became like a co-founder as the CEO of Automattic in our first 8 years.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And of course on the internet. I don&#8217;t know how we would count, but I would guess Om read at least 1 or 2% of the whole thing.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Om was a voracious learner. I was there when he first used chopsticks, and only a few months later, he knew every sushi restaurant in San Francisco and exactly what he liked at each.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Om is probably in the top ten in the world for finding things incredibly early. That&#8217;s why he has the best usernames! How does one guy get the @om username on WordPress.com in 2005 (user ID 719), <a href="https://x.com/om">Twitter in 2006</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/om">Instagram in 2010</a>? The first WordPress meetup was at <a href="https://www.chaatcornersf.com/">Chaat Cafe (now Corner)</a> in 2005, <a href="https://ma.tt/2005/01/meetup-aftermath/">8 people showed up, and Om was one of them</a>.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One of the biggest lessons I learned from Om is the deep appreciation of craft. When he took an interest in photography or pens, he would somehow find his way to the most obscure, highest-quality expression of that form. &#8220;What Would Om Want?&#8221; is a question I will always ponder. I want to craft products that would make Om proud.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Om&#8217;s last word was &#8220;love.&#8221;</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img alt="" class="wp-image-153336" height="402" src="https://i0.wp.com/ma.tt/files/2026/06/MCM_9460-1024x681.jpg?resize=604%2C402&#038;quality=89&#038;ssl=1" width="604" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">In a jitney on our trip to India in 2009</figcaption></figure>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img alt="" class="wp-image-153338" height="402" src="https://i0.wp.com/ma.tt/files/2026/06/om-citizen-1024x681.jpg?resize=604%2C402&#038;quality=89&#038;ssl=1" width="604" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">The day Om became a US citizen </figcaption></figure>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img alt="" class="wp-image-153340" height="402" src="https://i0.wp.com/ma.tt/files/2026/06/MAT_2822-1024x681.jpg?resize=604%2C402&#038;quality=89&#038;ssl=1" width="604" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">In NYC with the True crew, 2008</figcaption></figure>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img alt="" class="wp-image-153342" height="403" src="https://i0.wp.com/ma.tt/files/2026/06/MCM_0056-1024x683.jpeg?resize=604%2C403&#038;quality=89&#038;ssl=1" width="604" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Matching dyed blonde hair, 2016</figcaption></figure>



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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Nothing Gold Can Stay, by Robert Frost</h2>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:00:19] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Welcome to the Jukebox Podcast from WP Tavern. My name is Nathan Wrigley.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jukebox is a podcast which is dedicated to all things WordPress. The people, the events, the plugins, the blocks, the themes, and in this case, how WordPress education programs are growing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;d like to subscribe to the podcast, you can do that by searching for WP Tavern in your podcast player of choice, or by going to wptavern.com/feed/podcast, and you can copy that URL into most podcast players.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you have a topic that you&#8217;d like us to feature on the podcast, I&#8217;m keen to hear from you and hopefully get you, or your idea, featured on the show. Head to wptavern.com/contact/jukebox, and use the form there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So on the podcast today, we are joined by three WordPress Education Initiative leaders, Destiny Kanno, Anand Upadhyay and Maciej Pilarski.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Together, they have spent years at the heart of WordPress training and outreach, working in roles spanning community education management, plugin development, and credit program administration. Their efforts have helped shape student engagement and university partnerships across the globe, introducing thousands of learners to WordPress.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The conversation focused on the current landscape of WordPress education with particular attention to three key initiatives, the WordPress Credits Program, Campus Connect, and Student Clubs.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Each initiative is designed to provide unique entry points for students of all ages and education levels. From high schoolers building their first site in a library to university students earning official credits for open source contributions.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We discussed the different approaches these programmes take. WP Credits ties student work directly to academic credit and mentorship. Campus Connect provides flexible, community driven, events in diverse locations and Student Clubs foster sustainable, peer led, learning within schools and other institutions. We explore how these models feed into each other, building a sustainable ecosystem for ongoing growth in the WordPress community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We also get into the importance of repeat campus partnerships, the need for scalable facilitator training, and the role of recognition, certificates, badges, and public showcases in keeping students motivated and validated in their journey.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;re curious about the growing movement to bring WordPress knowledge to the next generation, or are looking to get involved with education in your local community, this episode is for you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;re interested in finding out more, you can find all of the links in the show notes by heading to wptavern.com/podcast, where you&#8217;ll find all the other episodes as well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so without further delay, I bring you Destiny Kanno, Anand Upadhyay and Maciej Pilarski.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I am joined on the podcast by Destiny Kanno, by Anand Upadhyay and Maciej Pilarski. Hello, one and all. Nice to have you with us.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:29] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> Hello. Thank you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:30] <strong>Anand Upadhyay:</strong> Hello.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:31] <strong>Maciej Pilarski:</strong> Hello.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:03:32] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So a few months ago, back in, I think it was September 2025, I was joined by two of the three participants on the call today. I was joined by Destiny and I was joined by Anand. We were also joined at that point by Isotta, but she&#8217;s not on the call today. We&#8217;ve obviously got a wonderful replacement, Maciej who&#8217;s going to do a fabulous job explaining the bits and pieces here.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But the intention of that episode, which you can find on the WP Tavern website, it&#8217;s episode number 183, was to find out about all of the overlapping education initiatives in the WordPress space. And it was born, I think, largely out of a sense of curiosity on my part, but also a somewhat sense of confusion, because there were lots of things which were going on. Some of them seemed to be slightly overlapping. There was a conflict of names in some cases. So that episode was laying out the groundworks of what has been happening in the WordPress space.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When that conversation finished and we&#8217;d click the stop record button, I said, that was absolutely fascinating. This seems to be moving at such a rate, wouldn&#8217;t it be good to revisit this whole subject in about six months time?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Well, we missed that target, but here we are, maybe eight months later. I think my intuition at that point was correct, because being a close observer of what&#8217;s going on in the WordPress community, I think it&#8217;s fair to say that the educational space has been somewhat turbocharged during the last eight months.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so today&#8217;s episode, with the help of the three people I&#8217;ve just mentioned, is to describe what&#8217;s going on, what&#8217;s changed, maybe some things that have been mothballed, but certainly a lot of things that are new and interesting and have gained a lot of momentum.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But I think, dear listener, the intention of this episode is to get you involved. Is to get to the end of this episode and for your curiosity to have been turned into action. To have gotten you out of your chair, written an email, turned up to an event, helped organise a thing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So please have that in the back of your mind. If you&#8217;re sitting listening to this in a car, at your desktop, there is actual action that could be taken at the end of this. I think the intention of all four of us on this panel would be dearly for that to happen.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Okay, let&#8217;s establish the credentials of the people that we&#8217;re going to be talking to today. So we&#8217;ll just do a little potted bio of you one at a time. So we&#8217;ll begin with Destiny, if you could just tell us a little bit about you, your relationship with education in the WordPress space, I suppose would be apropos.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:06:01] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> Yeah, absolutely. So again, Destiny Kanno. I&#8217;m currently working as an education program manager sponsored by Automattic. And I work directly with the Make WordPress Community Team. And I also work adjacently with the training team as well, because education training materials, they go pretty hand in hand. And I&#8217;ve been doing this now for about four years and, yeah, it&#8217;s just evolved since my original time working on Learn WordPress, and that relaunch that happened, to now, yeah, these wonderful programs that are spreading like wildfire as you said.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:06:37] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Fantastic. Thank you so much. Okay, we&#8217;ll move over to Anand for the same sort of introductory moment.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:06:43] <strong>Anand Upadhyay:</strong> Yes. So my name is Anand Upadhyay, and I run the WordPress plugin development company, WPVibes. Apart from that, I&#8217;m very much involved in the WordPress community and I contribute in multiple ways. It can be documentation, it can be Core, Polyglots. But I&#8217;m also keenly involved in the community part, and specifically I can say with the education initiatives, I started with WP Campus Connect in WordPress Campus Connect in 2024. And since then, after that we started joining hands with Destiny and we started evolving this program in a much bigger shape. So that&#8217;s it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:07:16] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Okay. Thank you so much. And last, but by no means least, Maciej.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:07:20] <strong>Maciej Pilarski:</strong> Yeah. Thanks for having me. My name is Maciej Pilarski. So I&#8217;ve been doing anything related to WordPress pretty much since 2007, so that&#8217;s been a while. But the biggest breakthrough for me was 2014 when I actually volunteered to WordCamp Europe in Sovia, Bulgaria. That opened my eyes to the whole community, everything that is happening around WordPress.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And since then, pretty much I&#8217;ve been working for multiple companies from the WordPress ecosystem. I joined Automattic in 2016. For many years I&#8217;ve been a Happiness Engineer, and since October last year, I&#8217;ve joined Isotta as one of the admins of the WordPress Credit program. And since that time, I will have been helping her out to grow that initiative.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And Destiny mentioned, it spreads like fire because at that time we had six universities onboarded, now we are at 21. The 21st, we got it after WordCamp Asia actually through a connection made there. And it&#8217;s our first institution from Africa, from Uganda. A huge shout out to Stephen Dumba, who I connected with during the event. And after that, pretty much a week after we signed our first partnership from Africa. So we&#8217;re actively growing and getting new institutions on board.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:08:42] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Thank you so much. Gosh, there was an awful lot in there, wasn&#8217;t there? That was really interesting. We&#8217;ll try and unpack quite a lot of that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Firstly, a sort of slightly personal message from me. I don&#8217;t usually reveal much about myself on this podcast. I take the position that I&#8217;m a, kind of like an interested party, but don&#8217;t really give much of my own thoughts. However, this is different because I cannot think of a more interesting, meaningful, moral, let&#8217;s go with that word as well, use of time than educating people. It simply is the most profoundly useful thing to do with your life.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now, obviously people will have different opinions about that, but the juxtaposition of free open source software, in this case WordPress, and education is a real sweet spot for me. I just think that is such an amazing thing to be involved in, to have going on in the background.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you think about it, an open source project, like how many open source projects have this level of stuff going on in the education space, this real international footprint. Things going on which we&#8217;ll find out about in a minute. It&#8217;s really fascinating.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I am sure that the listenership to this podcast, the vast majority of people listening will never have encountered much of this before. Maybe they&#8217;ve seen stuff on Learn because they want to technically learn about WordPress in an online capacity, but we&#8217;re going to be delving into real world events affecting real adults, real youngsters.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so anyway, that&#8217;s my little bit at the beginning, just how curious it is that the project is so big that we&#8217;ve got this international footprint of education. And so I suppose what we should do right at the beginning is lay out the different initiatives and just name them, and try to figure out how they differ from each other. Just so that we&#8217;ve got some kind of awareness.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I don&#8217;t know which one of you wants to take that, but if maybe you take one each or something, I don&#8217;t know. If we just want to lay out the, just erect that tent basically so that we know what the initiatives are called, and how they differ from one another. So I&#8217;ll open that up. Whoever wants to step in.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:10:48] <strong>Maciej Pilarski:</strong> I can start with the Credits Program. So the Credits Program is based, it&#8217;s a contribution based program, internship, initiative by the WordPress Foundation that connects higher education students with the global open source community. So basically it&#8217;s an opportunity for the students as part of the educational curriculum to contribute to the WordPress community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There are two types of courses that the students can do. One of them is 50 hours, the second one is 150 hours. Usually the students do that during a full academic semester. And as part of that, students are first onboarded into the WordPress ecosystem and the wider open source ecosystem where they learn not only about WordPress, but open source as a whole, and how crucial it is for the internet.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then the second phase is picking the contribution area to which they would like to contribute. All the contributions areas basically are the ones that are listed at make.wordpress.org. So any team that is listed there, students can pick from that area. During that phase, they work on a particular area that they have selected.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And finally, during phase three, they wrap up the whole achievements, the contribution, what they did, they publish a final post. And what is also very important as part of the credit scores, students have also assigned a mentor from the WordPress community that guides them through the whole process. We don&#8217;t leave them alone. We connect them with actual mentors from the WordPress community that are vetted by us, that guide them through the whole journey into the contribution and the whole WordPress ecosystem.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So it works on multiple levels. For me, this connection is also special because it builds this bridge between the previous generation of WordPress contributors to the new one where they are introduced and can start working on any fields of contribution.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What is also important is that this is not limited to technical universities. Pretty much any type of university can participate in the program. The first university that we started with was University of Pisa, and it was the humanity studies. So the students from humanity field were the first group who started the Credits Program. There&#8217;s room for pretty much anyone from any field.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:13:18] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Okay. There&#8217;s a lot there. Wow. I&#8217;ve just been taking notes and I&#8217;ve almost filled an entire A4 page. So WP Credits, the WordPress Credits Program, I guess the name sort of gives it away. The idea here is that you trade time for university or higher education credit. So credit being, I suppose if you were to atomise your three year degree, you might do, I don&#8217;t know, 12 modules or something like that. The idea is that one of those modules, perhaps it&#8217;s more, becomes something in the WordPress, but also curiously the free open source software space as well. I didn&#8217;t actually know that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The idea is that you link up with real world institutions. So the first one was Pisa, and maybe we can get into which other ones have come along. And in exchange for 50 hours or 150 hours, you will be given that credit, which can then go to the overall awarding of a degree or whatever it is that you are hoping to get.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You&#8217;re then linked up with team members, WordPress community team members who will mentor you and shepherd you through this process. And the idea is that it culminates, I think you said in a final post, which I suppose in a sense is a bit like a dissertation or something like that, you sum up all the different bits and pieces. Yeah.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:14:29] <strong>Maciej Pilarski:</strong> Once that happens, the students also receives an official certificate from the WordPress Foundation, signed by Matt himself, that certifies that they completed the course. And what is also important to know, the whole progress through the course and what they did during the course, it&#8217;s also stored on the wordpress.org profile. So any contributions that they did, for example, photos that they&#8217;ve uploaded, this all will be visible on the wordpress.org profile. And they also receive a special badge dedicated to students who graduated from that program.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So it really gets them started into the WordPress ecosystem, and at the same time creates something like a small portfolio for any future company that would like to, for example, hire them. Because they have a proven history of contributing to the ecosystem.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:15:20] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Okay, so that&#8217;s an interesting quid pro quo, isn&#8217;t it? So the idea is you do all this work, which on the face of it, I suppose looks very philanthropic, you know, you&#8217;re giving up your time, but you get a real thing at the back end of it. You get a certificate. You can then presumably apply for jobs and indicate, okay, I&#8217;ve done this, I&#8217;ve contributed in this meaningful way.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What I think is really interesting there, and it kind of gets lost, I&#8217;ve worked in education in the past and I know the red tape that&#8217;s involved in doing anything in the education space. There is so much red tape. And I can only imagine what&#8217;s happened in the background to enable these kind of things. You know, the back and forth, the tennis of emails that go on and on and the proof that&#8217;s required to categorically show that this thing that we are doing is worth something. You know, it&#8217;s not just this Mickey Mouse. We use that expression, Mickey Mouse kind of qualification that really, it doesn&#8217;t actually require any hard work. It&#8217;s just there, nothing really in it, but you get an accreditation anyway.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I can only imagine the hard work that has gone in every single time you touch a new institution, trying to convince them that this is legitimate, that this is real. You&#8217;ve just kind of glossed over all of that by just describing what is in existence, not necessarily what has gone on to make it happen. I know that there&#8217;s probably more than the three of you involved in this, but my profound thanks for all of that hard work, which presumably is utterly and completely invisible. And I can only imagine what&#8217;s going on there. So yeah, thank you for all of that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:16:54] <strong>Maciej Pilarski:</strong> Thank you for that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:16:54] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So that was WP Credits. So that was one wing of the things that we&#8217;re going to discuss today. Should we move on to another one and maybe somebody else wants to take the helm?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:17:03] <strong>Anand Upadhyay:</strong> I think Destiny can take Campus Connect and then I will take Student Clubs.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:17:06] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Okay. Destiny, let&#8217;s move over to you and see what you can tell us about something different.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:17:11] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> Yeah, so I&#8217;d love to tell you more about WordPress Campus Connect. And the way we ended with WordPress Credits, I think is also very critical to the story of Campus Connect because, you know, it started with Campus Connect first, and that&#8217;s how organisers such as Anand and Pooja like were able to get those connections with the universities through being boots on the ground, you know, having those relationships. Proving through action that these activities that we&#8217;re doing with the students are having real impact and are showing real results.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Slowly building up these kind of case studies in a way has helped open a lot of doors, especially with Campus Connect now, we&#8217;ve done a lot of events, especially since we last talked. Like I think this year alone, we&#8217;ve already had 22 Campus Connect events. So, like it&#8217;s not even half the year and it&#8217;s quickly becoming one of the biggest run events, WordPress official series.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But these events are like a way of opening the door, right? Hey, here&#8217;s a free learning opportunity for your students. And as you said, like the red tape is there. A lot of institutions are like, wait, so what&#8217;s in it for you? Why is, there&#8217;s a little bit of dubiousness sometimes in the reaction, right? You&#8217;re going to give your time to educate our students, why? But once they see, it&#8217;s like, no, we really are just passionate about spreading WordPress, showing students what&#8217;s capable with their website, how it applies to different skillsets as well. Like it&#8217;s not just for coders, it is for marketers, it is for designers.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You know, there&#8217;s so many career opportunities that once we just get the foot in the door and we&#8217;re able to showcase that, a lot of institutions are like, okay, now I get it. I do want to highlight in Anand&#8217;s case, like they&#8217;re going to have their third WordPress Campus Connect in Ajmer this year. You&#8217;ve got repeat institutions. I&#8217;ve heard you also have institutions that are like, when are you going to come to our place and teach WordPress? You know, once the fire is lit and people see how bright and shiny it is, like people want to get involved.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But as you said, like getting it to click for people, that is like the most difficult part. And I&#8217;ll give an example of, right now in Japan, we had our first WordPress Campus Connect event on the 9th of May. So I&#8217;m like, woo hoo. Like it finally happened. But we have this community in Japan that is like very passionate, very active. So when I first was like introducing the concept of Campus Connect, people were like, okay, but like how do we do this? What&#8217;s it about? It takes like a lot of presentations, a lot of going to people in person and talking. Helping them even shape the conversation that they&#8217;re going to have with the institution to sell this amazing gift of WordPress on their campus.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And after this one on the ninth, like now we have a case study in Japan that others can now use to be a starting point for those conversations going forward. So I think, once you have that one step, the gate just slowly opens until it&#8217;s just, the doors bang open in each way. But yeah, we&#8217;ve seen really great success with Campus Connect and it&#8217;s just like honestly, it just keeps growing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:20:30] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Can I just ask a quick question? So I just want to draw a very clear line for everybody that&#8217;s listening to this, what the difference may be between Campus Connect and WP Credits. Because from the description that we&#8217;ve had so far, it may be that you&#8217;ve fallen into the trap of thinking, well, they sound like they might be the same thing. So could you just, Destiny, just tease out where Campus Connect differs? Maybe in the nature of the event, the timing of the event, the availability, the age group, those kind of things that separate WP Credits from the Campus Connect initiative.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:21:02] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> Yeah. Thank you, that&#8217;s like a really great distinction to make. So whereas WordPress Credits is geared toward higher education, Campus Connect is geared toward, honestly any level of students as long as they&#8217;re able to browse the web safely, and enjoy and participate.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So that means, Elementary school students now are pretty good at devices. High school students, college students, vocational students. We honestly kept the door pretty open in terms of what a campus means. We&#8217;ve even had a Campus Connect event in Uganda in a library, the Lira Public Library because students were able to go there right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We were trying to make it as barrier free for students wherever their campus is. And so that&#8217;s, I think, the main difference. It&#8217;s more wide ranging in terms of who can participate as a student. And then also the fact that it could be a one-off event, so a one day event. A lot nowadays are multiple day events, they&#8217;ll maybe go two times out of a month, or a couple days consecutively. And then after that it&#8217;s up to really the organisers in the institution whether or not we have another addition on their campus the same year, or the next year.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:22:15] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I&#8217;m going to tease out a few things. I just want to point out to, me as an English person, that is to say, not an English speaker, but somebody from England, campus has a really defined definition, and it&#8217;s usually bound to a university. Whereas it sounds like the description here, campus literally means the place where education happens, not it&#8217;s 18 years old and older, you know, people doing degrees, bachelors and PhDs and that kind of thing. Basically, if there&#8217;s an institution somewhere, that&#8217;s what the campus is in this case. Okay.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So the WP Credits program sounds like you forge your relationship with the university, and correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, it sounds like it takes place inside that institution, and it&#8217;s part of that program and what have you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Campus Connect initiative is much more ad hoc. It could be a one-off, it could be monthly, it could be inside a library, it could be inside the school, it could be an inside an institution. It feels a bit more like, I don&#8217;t know, a WordPress Meetup, but geared towards a younger audience or something like that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And the minimum age requirement is really driven by your capacity to type on a keyboard and hold a mouse and those kind of things. And that&#8217;s kind of curious to me because I think my educational experience was always younger children. It&#8217;s really interesting how patterns are laid down at a very, very early age. Patterns that go on into much later life get laid down, typically at incredibly young ages. So this is fascinating for digging into that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And it&#8217;s not just about, say, the code, it sounds like code is on the menu, but it could be about marketing, it could be about design. Basically the gamut of anything online, CMSy, those kind of things. Okay, is there anything you want to add? Did I misunderstand anything there, or misstate anything there?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:24:02] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> No, I think you&#8217;re completely right. We&#8217;re trying to convey that WordPress isn&#8217;t just a blogging software that I think is still a lot of people have a mentality of. Like there are many ways to utilise it that goes beyond that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And one thing I did want to add are a couple numbers. So since WordPress Campus Connect became official in May of 2025, an official WordPress event series, I should say, we&#8217;ve had 42 completed events, with 71 participating institutions, and over 5,500 students have been reached.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:24:37] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> That&#8217;s something else. 42 events, 71 institutions, and I think you said five and a half thousand individuals. Good grief. I don&#8217;t know what the measure of success is for this, but that feels like success to me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I mean, imagine turning up to a WordCamp, like a flagship WordCamp and five and a half thousand people descending on you. You&#8217;d feel slightly overwhelmed. That&#8217;s a lot, isn&#8217;t it? Gosh, that&#8217;s pretty remarkable. Wow. Congratulations.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:25:05] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> And the majority, the outcome, the students make a website. So we could almost count those students as also new WordPress websites that are live now on the web. So within a year, organisers around the world have been able to make that happen.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:25:19] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Could I just perhaps draw another distinction as well, just very quickly, because it sounds like the WordPress Credit system, because it&#8217;s binding itself to institutions, it sounds like there might be more paperwork going on there, and maybe more high level meetings that need to take place. Whereas Campus Connect feels much more community driven. It&#8217;s the kind of thing that, quite literally, anybody listening to this podcast with a fair wind could have one of those going in a handful of months. If they&#8217;ve got the right initiative and they can find the audience for that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Again, is that about right? There&#8217;s sort of more opportunity to become involved with the Campus Connect initiatives. You don&#8217;t need to have that academic background or have a point of contact at a university. You basically just need a building, some interest and a bunch of students.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:26:02] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> Yeah, the key thing is, you know, having a real connection to the campus that you&#8217;re going to present at. But you&#8217;re exactly right. We tried really hard to lower the barrier to organise these events. Because I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve organised a WordPress event before, there&#8217;s kind of a lot of hoops you have to jump through. And we&#8217;re like, okay, how can we think about this in a different way?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I think that also has positive repercussions for how we organise other events too, that are, changes are being thought about too so that we can enable people and empower them to put these events, instead of bogging them down and process and a little bit of bureaucracy to say.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:26:38] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So what&#8217;s really curious about that as well is we&#8217;re all in different parts of the world, aren&#8217;t we? People on the call today are in Japan and I&#8217;m in Europe and, Anand, are you in India? I think.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:26:47] <strong>Anand Upadhyay:</strong> Yeah.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:26:47] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. Each of those events, I guess would look quite different. The kind of nature of the attendees, the nature of the kind of building it might be in, the institution. And it really is, you just grab what&#8217;s around you I suppose, and work with that. If you&#8217;ve got a connection to an institution, you can go for it. Maciej, I feel like I crosstalked you. I think you wanted to say quite a few times and I&#8217;ve just interrupted. I&#8217;m very sorry.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:27:08] <strong>Maciej Pilarski:</strong> No worries about that. So I wanted to add that those initiatives set backgrounds for each other. Because in some uni institutions, the interest sparks with a Campus Connect event, and that gets the institution interested in those initiatives, which sets background for WordCamp Credit.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And it happens also the other way around, where we start with an institution that starts credits and then we get the students interested in WordPress in general, the community, which leads to a Campus Connect event during the Credits Program. What is important is that those initiatives don&#8217;t compete with each other. They support each other.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:27:51] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Right, so there&#8217;s a lovely virtuous cycle there, isn&#8217;t there? Where the two things can be going on in harmony, one promoting the other and they&#8217;re definitely not in competition. Okay. That&#8217;s really interesting.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One final question on Campus Connect, and I&#8217;ll direct this at Destiny, just because she&#8217;s been handling that. With the WP Credits thing, there is this moment where you hold the certificate in your hand and you go, yay, did it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Is the same thing true of Campus Connect or is it more of a show up to the one event, you know that you did that, that was great, you can file that away in your own head as a thing? Or is there some sort of accreditation, or certificate giving, or badge giving, or profile updating that might go on on wordpress.org? Is there any sort of thing that the attendees receive, and I suppose that the people that are organising might receive as well?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:28:37] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> Yes. So we do have a certificate of participation that students can receive signed by WordPress Foundation Executive Director, Mary Hubbard. And that just needs to be requested by the organisers ahead of time, because we need to get the signature and all that. So yes, they can come away with that. And we&#8217;ve heard really positive things about that, like it motivates them. They&#8217;re like, yeah, I did something, which they did.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:29:01] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> There we go. That was WP Credits and WP Campus Connect.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Can I just say at this point, dear listener, if at this point you&#8217;re thinking hang on a minute, there&#8217;s a lot going on here, don&#8217;t worry, there&#8217;ll be show notes. If you go to the WP Tavern website, there&#8217;ll be show notes. I&#8217;ll try to list out as many sensible links to get you to the root of each one of these initiatives, so that you can begin your journey and fan out from there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I&#8217;m not sure what episode number this will be, but if you just go and search for, oh, I don&#8217;t know, Destiny or Anand or Maciej, you could probably find the episode that way. And all the show notes will contain all of the links.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Right, in which case, I think it might be Anand&#8217;s turn. What have you decided to take on Anand?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:29:39] <strong>Anand Upadhyay:</strong> So I will be sharing my thoughts on the third part of this whole education initiative ecosystem. So that is a Student Club. Just a few minutes before you were giving the analogue of meetup with this Campus Connect. So I would like to share the same analogue with us because we are more accustomed with like other terms of WordCamps and Meetups and contributer days.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">WordPress Campus Connect is kind of like a WordCamp happening in the campus, because it&#8217;s like a big day event that holds everything happening, different kind of sessions, maybe workshops happening. So I would compare it with that thing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And same way, credits thing, Credit Program is kind of like ongoing contribution series because more focused on the contribution part because the student devote 150 hours of their program. A lot of period goes to the contribution.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And now the same way we, if we talk about the Student club, it&#8217;s similar to like the Meetups that we have. But these are the in campus meetups for the students and by the students. How do things get started? Like the Campus Connect introduce the WordPress to those campuses and to those students, but since most of the campus, it&#8217;s a once in a year event. So once this event has sparked something about the WordPress in the students. So keeping that momentum going on, that&#8217;s where the Student Clubs come in.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So with the Student Club, it&#8217;s kind of like, as I mentioned, it&#8217;s like an in campus meet program. So a student can gather themselves, they can form a club and a couple of students can be nominated as club organisers, student club organiser from their campus. And then they organise the in-campus events, maybe like once in a month or twice a month, depending on academic calendar. There are a lot of hurdles in doing those things continuously.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But they usually do once or twice a month. They do a kind of a meetup in their campus. The students gathered together. They learn from variable resources available from WordPress. And from those resources, they share with the other students. It&#8217;s kind of a group learning, group study, that we use. Education live, we always do that. It&#8217;s kind of a group study. They&#8217;re learning from themselves. If someone has learned something, they are helping others to learn those things.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I would just like to give some of the examples from my city. There are multiple Student Clubs are going on. When we went to the campus, we just taught like a small group of students about the WordPress, because we&#8217;d have some limitations of the resources, of the setting arrangement. We cannot call all the students of the campus and, okay, come together and I have a amazing workshop. So we have given the WordPress walk through to the limited number of students.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">After that, they form a Student Club in their campus because they got very much interested. Then the first session they did was like, they started teaching to their juniors, like the students who have just entered the campus. They took a session for them. So they told, whatever we have told them, they have taught the same thing to the juniors.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">After that, in the next few session, they experimented different things. Like in some session they&#8217;re just doing a fun quiz around WordPress. And in some sessions they are doing a kind of like a, I would say like a hackathon kind of thing. So they are just picking up a website. Or you can, just similar to the speed build challenge that Jamie do. So they have just one website open on the screen and everybody&#8217;s like cloning that website.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So there are different ways students are engaging through those student clubs. So it is helping to keep the momentum going on so that the student keep learning about WordPress and they are also connecting with the community members for the guidance about how they can learn more. What should they learn next if they are sharing their experience. Like we have covered these things and, what should we go next?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And in the recent WordCamp Asia, they&#8217;re also one of the Student Club lead from my city. She joined the event and there are conversation with the, like other community members who has offered them like, okay, we can come to your campus, or we can do, have a webinar for your campus where we can teach you particular subjects, particular topics. Maybe they can talk about SEO, maybe they can talk about plugin development.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So this is also opening the horizon for them, to learn from people across the world. So that is how the Student Clubs are happening. The examples I&#8217;ve gave, again, from my own city because I&#8217;m closely mentoring them, but there&#8217;s similar things are happening across the world.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So it is helping to create a kind of sustainable environment for the long-term sustainable environment in the campus. So the next time when we go to that campus, we are not going to teach like the basics of WordPress, because we want like, the ecosystem should be built within the campus, so every student know about the WordPress. Because last time when we went to the campus, we have to tell everything about WordPress because why you should learn WordPress.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So the Student Clubs, my ambition is that, wherever the Student Club is from, next time a Campus Connect event is happening, next time we should not tell them about what is WordPress and why they should learn this thing. There should be already a sustainable ecosystem.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I feel that all these three programs are like very much interconnected. And the real impact of these programs, we will be able to see in the next two or three years. And there will be a regular ongoing activities around WordPress in the campus.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And these are also kind of a balance program as well. Like the Campus Connect is introducing WordPress to the students, Credits Program is motivating them more towards like the contribution part. And I would say that Student Clubs is more inclined towards getting new users to the WordPress. Because if we keep on focusing on the contribution, contribution, but if we discard the like increasing the number of new users, so we are not going to win. We need a balanced state.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Student Club is trying to, learning how to build website, how to mastering the skills of the WordPress. And later on, many of them are going to join the contribution part as well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So this whole ecosystem is built around bringing more people to the contribution, bringing more people to use WordPress, build websites, as in, for the individuals as a business as well. So that&#8217;s how all these three programrs are very much interconnected, and growing together fast.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:35:16] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> It feels like, of the three things that we&#8217;ve talked about, so WP Credits, Campus Connect, the Student Club, this final one that you&#8217;ve just covered, it feels like that&#8217;s got a very flat hierarchy to it. In other words, there&#8217;s like this peer learning. So it feels like more or less anybody can show up and demonstrate anything, which might then lead to somebody else thinking, okay, that was interesting, I&#8217;ll take on next month&#8217;s one because I&#8217;ve now seen that&#8217;s doable. Less hierarchy, if you know what I mean? So a much more flat structure.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:35:45] <strong>Anand Upadhyay:</strong> Because when we started Campus Connect, we also get a lot of attraction in the local community as well. And people join our Meetup groups. But then it becomes difficult for us, how to plan about the topics for our meetup. We have some experienced professionals coming in. We have some students coming in, and we plan the topics that suits the professionals. The student will feel like, okay, what&#8217;s they&#8217;re talking, we are not getting anything in our mind. If we bring the topics, very basic topics and the professionals who are joining the community meetups, they&#8217;ll feel like, okay, these are very basic stuff, why am I coming here?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Student Clubs giving them their own platform, giving them a own opportunity. Okay, these are all the familiar faces. It is also giving the opportunity to come on the stage, come onto the stage and get out of your fear as well. It is also generating leadership qualities in them. Okay, we have to keep this momentum going on and we have to keep the activities going on. So there are a lot of ways, apart from learning WordPress, there are a lot of other ways it is helping the students as well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:36:40] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> When you have to stand up in front of a bunch of people and deliver something, obviously there&#8217;s a whole bunch of us that are just really confident at doing that, quite happy to stand up and do that kind of thing off the bat. But equally, there&#8217;s people for whom that is just the most terrifying experience possible. You know, standing up in front of two or three people, oh boy, you know, anything above that is just off the books.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I was just wondering about that, whether or not there&#8217;s, in this particular style of event, the Student Club, whether there is a growing corpus of, I don&#8217;t know, previously done topics or topic suggestions or slide decks or anything like that, which might enable people to feel that level of confidence? I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s something which is being put together. Just resources which enable somebody who doesn&#8217;t have the confidence, let&#8217;s go with that word, who then may gain that confidence. And I&#8217;m going to pass this to Destiny because she&#8217;s waving her hand.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:37:30] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> I was really hoping I could shamelessly plug this project. This is like, you&#8217;ve said the most opportune thing. So I&#8217;m actually developing right now what I&#8217;m like tentatively calling the Meetup Activity Library. It comes with like kits on certain topics. So for example, WordPress Playground was the first one I built. But it comes with the facilitation guide, which is a doc. So the facilitator can read through, understand the steps they&#8217;re going to go through in the activity, how to pace it. And then a presentation deck which they would display, if that&#8217;s available to them, to the folks that they&#8217;re presenting to. And it&#8217;s a hands-on activity only. So it&#8217;s not only presentation. The facilitator of course guides and talks them through things, but then people are getting hands-on experience with that topic along the way.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:38:16] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> That is a beautiful remover of barriers, because I think just having that little document, that little crutch, you don&#8217;t have to feel that you, okay, I&#8217;ve got to come up with a topic. Not only have I got to come up with a topic, but then I&#8217;ve got to research the topic, deliver the topic. If you can have it all on a thing that you can crib from, I don&#8217;t know, it just arms you with that confidence as you walk in. I think that&#8217;s such a brilliant topic. And, Maciej.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:38:40] <strong>Maciej Pilarski:</strong> Both Destiny and Anand mentioned two keywords, sustainability and facilitator. The goal of also getting all those educational initiatives going is also create in a sustainable way. We&#8217;re not pushing for numbers, but growing them in a smart way where we don&#8217;t get too many students so we get overwhelmed. We need to have enough mentors to accommodate those students, and also enough facilitators to be able to scale the program, to grow it in the future.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And it&#8217;s exactly what Destiny is now doing, the Facilitator Training Program, which gets more people from the educational sectors, community organisers, everyone on board, to jump on those educational initiatives and help us to grow. Because the number of every, all those students involved in participating in those programs is increasing and we need to be able to accommodate them. And through the Facilitator Training Program, this allows us to do that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:39:42] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> It&#8217;s so interesting in open source software spaces as opposed to corporate spaces. I suppose the metric of success for anything like this in the corporate universe would be how many people showed up and gave us money in exchange for this knowledge or, you know, something akin to that. Basically a metric of humans in a room and money gained. And of course, the measurement of this is so not that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I did wonder, Destiny obviously very proudly rattled off the statistics for Campus Connect, you know, the five and a half thousand attendees and all of that. I wondered if there were success criteria of some kind in the background, which guide you. You know, it&#8217;s not like, okay, well we didn&#8217;t meet that we&#8217;re going to abandon it all. But more, things like you would like to see happen, so aspirational goals. It sounds from what Maciej was saying that maybe the attendance growing slowly over time is some kind of measure of success. Maybe there is none of that, but I&#8217;ll just open that one up to see if you want to take that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:40:38] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> I think one definite measure of success is repeat events on certain campuses. So if the campus is saying, we love that, please come back, or please come again soon. I think that is a really great indicator that, not only did the students get something great out of it, but the school believes in it. And that&#8217;s what we want to do. We want to create these systems that, not only bring people into WordPress, but also continue this cycle of, you know, growth within the community, but also ownership by the institution.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Another measurement of success is the institution is like, okay, great, how do we learn how to do that ourselves? So we have some folks now working in the institution that are organising WordPress Campus Connect events that are helping facilitate these Student Clubs. So the faculty and educators themselves, they&#8217;re directly getting involved. And that for us as community members too, whose volunteer time is quite limited, as Maciej was saying, like it is a great multiplier that makes everything much more sustainable.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:41:45] <strong>Maciej Pilarski:</strong> So from the WordPress Credits perspective, we don&#8217;t hope all the students to turn into contributors. That would be amazing but that might not happen. I can share with you some numbers. So currently we have 450 students globally enrolled. For the whole program so far, 75 graduates.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We hope that some or as many as possible of those graduates who completed the program will stay and become active contributors to the WordPress community, stay engaged.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That&#8217;s one of the goals we are aiming for the Credits Program, to not just get this done, but this is building the next generation of contributors. We know that like we are ageing, we&#8217;re getting older every year. We are not getting younger, unfortunately. Getting those students staying in the community allows us to build those next generations of WordPress contributors that will also have completely different perspectives to how the community functions, how it was built.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What brought us here might not move us forward. So these new students will bring us this new, fresh perspective of how they would like the community to function and move it to the future, to be current, to stay up to date with what&#8217;s happening globally.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:43:00] <strong>Anand Upadhyay:</strong> That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s very difficult to like measure the impact in numbers because how it is impacting in the longer term. But yeah, it&#8217;s going to impact. And I would say also, like Destiny mentioned, one of the metrics is like this campus is willing to have the Campus Connect again and again in the campus.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I just want to share one more. Like I just recently got a call from one of the faculty coordinators from one of the campus where we have a Student Club. And now they have like two months of vacations. And he called me like, okay, now the vacations are going on, students will not be here, so what can we do for the students to keep their involvement with the WordPress in those two months? So can we do something online? Can we do something like this?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When we get these calls, these kind of communications, that these are interactions that we have, this gives us a sense of like accomplishment. Okay, yeah, we were able to create some kind of interest in the students. Because we cannot expect that if we are going to like any campus and 100 or 200 students are participating in our Campus Connect, they are all going to jump into the WordPress. They are getting a lot of different kind of opportunities as well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There are other technologies as well, which are, some students are going into that, some students are going into that. But we are showcasing the WordPress as one of the career opportunities. And they have a choice of multiple options, so they will choose what they do. But yeah, the impact will be seen in the next few years. Just like Maciej said, mentioned that he went to the WordCamp as a volunteer and it&#8217;s bring him into the community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And the same is with me. I attended the WordCamp and just after coming out of the WordCamp, I started the Meetup group in my city. So I got inspired from that. So that is a result of that WordCamp. And that cannot be measured in the numbers. That can only be sensed when we are doing this kind of conversation. Okay, that WordCamp helped me, that WordCamp helped me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The same way in future, these students who will join the community or the WordPress industry, they will be talking about, okay, I got first introduced about WordPress through a WordPress Campus Connect event or I got introduced to the contribution through WP Credits Program. So when these conversation will be happening in the future, then we will say that those are the real metrics that we are looking for.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:45:00] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> That&#8217;s really interesting, and I like that. It sounds like there&#8217;s not so much a focus on statistics, you know, literal, brutal numbers, more kind of playing it forwards and measuring the impact over many years, not, you know, a handful of months into the future.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:45:15] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> So yes, we&#8217;re not like, okay, here&#8217;s our KPIs, you know, and here&#8217;s our hard metrics. But one thing I really noticed that our community is, it could be better at doing, is just talking about what happened. Because then you hear all these success stories and there are numbers in that. So like for example, Ajmer again, Women&#8217;s Day event this year. 50% of tickets sold were to students. And that&#8217;s directly because of the involvement in going to these campuses and teaching WordPress. And I&#8217;m like, that&#8217;s amazing, that&#8217;s direct injection of 50% youth into the WordPress community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:45:52] <strong>Anand Upadhyay:</strong> And they sold out so fast.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:45:53] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> And they sold out really fast, yeah.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:45:55] <strong>Anand Upadhyay:</strong> The organisers were hoping like, now we have to pitch out to sale our tickets. And they have planned a social media campaign around that. Okay, we will be periodically pitch a student on the social media to encourage the ticket purchase. And within one day, we sold out. And the whole social media campaign was like their whole planning was gone. We don&#8217;t have tickets.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:46:14] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> It&#8217;s really interesting that there&#8217;s all this success going on, and yet, as Destiny said, it is hard to get that discovered. Maybe it&#8217;s a case of shouting louder about the previous success. Maybe things like this podcast will help in some small way for things like that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But I know what you mean. There&#8217;s a lot of people talking about the code, and there&#8217;s a lot of people talking about the plugins and the themes and whether or not we&#8217;re going to get collaborative editing in version 7 or 7.1. All of that seems to suck up all of the oxygen in the room. And yet, without a throughput of, let&#8217;s go for young adults, coming into the WordPress space, there&#8217;s not really a great deal of hope for a project over decades unless we get people of a much younger age beginning now. And I&#8217;ll just hand the torch to Maciej because I think he&#8217;s got something to add.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:47:05] <strong>Maciej Pilarski:</strong> But this is also changing because at WordCamp Asia, we were able to introduce the educational table during the contributor day. And I&#8217;m also organiser of WordCamp Europe that&#8217;s going to happen really soon in two, three weeks, beginning of June. And during WordCamp Europe, we will also have a contributor table, dedicated to education, but for the first time also educational track.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">During the second day, we will start the whole day with topics related to education. We will have a discussion panel rethinking learning in WordPress that Mary will be participating. And later in that afternoon, we will have actual students, who take part in the program. Sharing the experience, presenting the results. Not only students from universities, but I&#8217;m also leading a group of high school students who&#8217;ve been working for the whole past semester with a teacher on some projects related to WordPress building websites. So they are super eager and excited to show them.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We will also showcase some students, teachers stories, how both of those sites motivated each other, learn from each other, and basically help us keep growing the community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So WordCamp Europe definitely will feature some of those things. And we&#8217;re slowly introducing more and more those things into those flagship events and into the broader community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:48:28] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Really nice. Yeah, that&#8217;s really nice to hear. I think it&#8217;s a difficult circle to square, the idea of making this stuff visible so that everybody&#8217;s aware of it. Even if they&#8217;re only interested in running their agency, or writing code or whatever it is. Maybe to realise that this is some version of the underpinnings of the WordPress community without which the software ultimately doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And it is quite curious. I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m reading between the lines here, I think I&#8217;m not, but I get the impression that, I&#8217;m going to use the phrase like, I don&#8217;t know, from higher up, let&#8217;s put it that way. It feels like education is taking a more central place. It feels like for example, Mary Hubbard, it feels like you&#8217;ve got a real advocate there. Again, I could be reading between the lines, but it feels like the words coming out of her mouth, I hear the word education coming out of her mouth quite a lot when she&#8217;s on stage.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So it feels like you&#8217;ve got some big hitters, let&#8217;s go with that. I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve got anything you want to add to that, but it feels like the importance of this is more profound this year than it was a few years ago.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:49:33] <strong>Maciej Pilarski:</strong> You are correct. Mary is a big supporter of that and she also created this space for us to grow those initiatives that like allows us to grow that. Isotta started the first Credits Program at the Pisa University as an experiment. And from there it was proven that this actually works. It gets us universities and new contributors.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And then on the other side, there was those Campus Connect events that also organically grew up on their own. So basically there was a need. It feels like there was this hive mind somehow that worked also for all of us. All of us felt this need to introduce those things. It looks like we&#8217;ve reached a certain growth level for the community that we organically felt that that&#8217;s the direction that we should start heading.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:50:24] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. What&#8217;s interesting there as well is that it very much overlaps with maybe a concern. So we&#8217;ve touched on this at various points without saying it out loud quite. If you go to, and I&#8217;m going to exclude WordCamp Asia 2026 from what I&#8217;m about to say, because that event was very different. If you go to a typical WordCamp, the age skews, and I&#8217;m doing air quotes, older. You don&#8217;t typically look around and see a bunch of teenagers.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So that&#8217;s a concern. There&#8217;s this, like a pyramid, like a reverse pyramid, and if we don&#8217;t get the younger people coming up, the edifice of this entire project kind of becomes a lot more shaky. And we&#8217;ve lived through 22 plus years of WordPress, and I think quite a lot of those people began, a lot of the people who&#8217;ve been involved in the community began their careers using WordPress and they&#8217;ve kind of moved through WordPress as it&#8217;s evolved over those 22 years.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And not to, I don&#8217;t know quite how to say this. At some point they&#8217;re going to stop contributing. Their age will become something, you know, they want to retire or they want to move on or do some other things. Unless we build the scaffolding and put things in place so that young people feel they&#8217;ve got a place here, feel that, I don&#8217;t know, some proprietary system is not the way they want to go, they want to support the ethic of open source.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Unless these building blocks, these educational building blocks are put in place, then that&#8217;s going to be a bit of a concern. So to your point, Maciej, it organically grew. And what a nice thing that it did kind of organically grow because it&#8217;s sorely needed at the same time. There isn&#8217;t really a question in there. But anyway, there&#8217;s my observation. Anand, did you have something to say? I think you did.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:52:04] <strong>Anand Upadhyay:</strong> Yeah. So just want to add that thing you have raised recently. So the way that we want to teach the students about the open source as well, because if you go to the WP Credit curriculum, so the initial lessons, they learn through the, given to them to learn from the learn.wordpress. So it&#8217;s all about like open source ethics, and how the WordPress community, WordPress project works.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So this opens up their mind about the open source. Because in the education system, it is something that is not clearly mentioned. There are simple, just simple definitions around the open source. But open source is much more than those definitions.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And especially the open source community like WordPress. It&#8217;s more about the people. So the students also learn about how the community is working, how the people are working from the different time zones, people are joining hands for running the bigger events like WordCamp Asia or these Credits Programs. The students will learn all those things as well, and I&#8217;m sure when they will join as a contributor in the future, they will have lot of experience before joining as well.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:53:02] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Thank you. I love that expression, by the way. You just dropped it in in the middle of a sentence there. You said people are joining hands. What a perfect summation of the entire enterprise being discussed today. Maciej, you raised your hand.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:53:14] <strong>Maciej Pilarski:</strong> Yeah, and besides the community goals and keeping it going, I have also a very personal goal that also is behind all of those things that I do. From my own experience, I had a pretty difficult and bumpy educational path, let&#8217;s call it. Unlocking those possibilities for those students, helping them out, making it easier for them, it&#8217;s one of my very personal goals, because I know it does not need to be very difficult or crazy when you study, especially when you are young. You&#8217;re not sure fully which direction you would like to go. So creating for them, one of those opportunities that might click for them is also something very personal and close to my heart. Because not everyone needs to struggle or have like difficulties, so.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:53:58] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I am so glad you said that because that encapsulates all of it. That&#8217;s the entire point. It&#8217;s got to be that, right? So we&#8217;ve spent a long time talking about the minutiae of this, that, and the other thing. It all goes, like they&#8217;re spokes on a wheel. And the whole point is that little bit in the middle, which is the child, the adult, the human being somewhere who just wants to make use, wants to grow, wants to learn things, wants to figure things out.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">With open source, with this kind of learning, there is potentially zero impediment, or at least very few impediments to actually get that learning underway. And so I think maybe we lost sight of that in this conversation a little bit. So I&#8217;m glad that you grounded it there, Maciej, right towards the end. That&#8217;s perfect. Destiny, was there anything you wanted to say? I don&#8217;t know if you were indicating that you did.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:54:48] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> I know we&#8217;re like probably over time, but there&#8217;s still so much to share. Like even thinking about keeping WordPress relevant, right? For us and then also for youth. I think about the new AI Leaders Credential that was announced and is being worked on. And how tying WordPress to AI is like really helping students engage more, and see like the relevancy of it in a different way. Not even for the students, like for me, that&#8217;s challenging me and I think other organisers and learners of WordPress to be adaptable and think about WordPress differently in a new way of this year as AI keeps advancing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And then you were also talking about wins, right? How do we celebrate that? I did want to surface, we have the Education Buzz Report, which goes out every month, which aims to try to surface all of these educational wins that are happening in the community. And I just have received some further collaboration from marketing to hopefully also broadcast that on our socials going forward so that we do get the word out.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And lastly, like celebrating the students too. There was a post that went out about the Student Clubs and the success. And we just want to make sure that in this, that they feel seen, right? And that this feels like a space for them. And I know WordPress Credits, we&#8217;re working on something to showcase, no, something went out recently. A post went out recently to showcase some of the successes of the students. And we just want to keep highlighting that as well. Because their work and the way they operate, especially because they&#8217;re coming in with different lenses, is really important to showcase and highlight and make sure that they feel like they deserve that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:56:26] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, there was a post, I&#8217;ll try and link to it. I think it was like a week ago about the Student Clubs. There were three or four images, three or four photos and there were so many smiling faces in those pictures. It was absolutely lovely. Lots of people gathered in classrooms. I couldn&#8217;t exactly tell where, but it was just so nice seeing people kind of enjoying WordPress, having a nice time, bit of camaraderie, hanging out with each other, learning things. It was absolutely wonderful.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Unfortunately, I think time might have got the better of us. Hopefully, dear listener, what you&#8217;ve gained is an understanding that there&#8217;s so many layers to this educational initiative. It doesn&#8217;t appear to be in any way standing still. It&#8217;s growing. It&#8217;s interesting. There&#8217;s a lot going on, and you can be involved.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I will put links in the show notes to any of the places where I feel you would be best making a start with that. Maybe the contributors to this panel can drop some things, you know, if they&#8217;ve got a particular link. So again, wptavern.com. If you want to go over there, we will look for the links.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This giant edifice that you maybe know nothing about, and maybe at the end of this episode, some parts of you is tuned in and thinking, I would like to be involved in that. And the truth is, you can be. It&#8217;s all available to you to get involved and you could start today.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So there we go. With that said, I&#8217;m just going to say a great big thank you to Destiny, to Anand, and to Maciej. It kinds of feels like we need to come back. Let&#8217;s do it again in six months or so, and we&#8217;ll see where we&#8217;re at. Oh, I&#8217;ve got a lot of nodding faces. That&#8217;s nice. So maybe we&#8217;ll revisit this in a few months time.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But seriously, from the bottom of my heart, Destiny, Anand and Maciej, profound respect to you and all of the different things that you are doing. Thank you so much for chatting to me today.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:58:13] <strong>Anand Upadhyay:</strong> Thank you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:58:13] <strong>Maciej Pilarski:</strong> Thank you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[00:58:14] <strong>Destiny Kanno:</strong> Thank you.</p>
</div></details>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On the podcast today weΓÇÖre joined by three WordPress education initiative leaders, Destiny Kanno, Anand Upadhyay and Maciej Pilarski.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Together, they have spent years at the heart of WordPress training and outreach, working in roles spanning community education management, plugin development, and credit program administration. Their efforts have helped shape student engagement and university partnerships across the globe, introducing thousands of learners to WordPress. You can see their bios further down.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The conversation focused on the current landscape of WordPress education, with particular attention to three key initiatives: the WordPress Credits Program, Campus Connect, and Student Clubs. Each initiative is designed to provide unique entry points for students of all ages and education levels, from high schoolers building their first site in a library, to university students earning official credits for open source contributions.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We discussed the different approaches these programs take: WP Credits ties student work directly to academic credit and mentorship, Campus Connect provides flexible, community-driven events in diverse locations, and Student Clubs foster sustainable, peer-led learning within schools and other institutions. We explored how these models feed into each other, building a sustainable ecosystem for ongoing growth in the WordPress community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We also got into the importance of repeat campus partnerships, the need for scalable facilitator training, and the role of recognition: certificates, badges, and public showcases, in keeping students motivated and validated in their journey.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If youΓÇÖre curious about the growing movement to bring WordPress knowledge to the next generation, or are looking to get involved with education in your local community, this episode is for you.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Useful links</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Previous episode of the podcast related to this episode:<br /><a href="https://wptavern.com/forums/topic/183-destiny-kanno-isotta-peira-and-anand-upadhyay-on-how-wordpress-is-shaping-the-future-of-education-for-students-worldwide">#183 ΓÇô Destiny Kanno, Isotta Peira and Anand Upadhyay on how WordPress is shaping the future of education for students worldwide</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/community/">WordPress Community Team</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://events.wordpress.org/campusconnect/">Welcome to WordPress Campus Connect</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://profiles.wordpress.org/stephendumba1/">Stephen Dumba&#8217;s WordPress.org profile</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/handbook/wordpress-credits-contribution-internship-program/">WordPress Credits: Contribution Program for Students</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://wordpress.org/education/student-clubs/">WordPress Student Clubs</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://events.wordpress.org/campusconnect/2025/ajmer/">WordPress Campus Connect in Ajmer</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/community/2026/05/01/peer-review-needed-hands-on-wordpress-meetup-activity-library/">Peer Review Needed: Hands-On WordPress Meetup Activity Library</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/community/2026/04/03/introducing-the-wordpress-facilitator-training-program/">Introducing the WordPress Facilitator Training Program</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://wordpress.org/news/2026/02/ai-leaders-credential/">Piloting the AI Leaders Micro-Credential</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/community/2026/06/03/monthly-education-buzz-report-may-2026/">Monthly Education Buzz Report ΓÇô May 2026</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://learn.wordpress.org">Learn WordPress</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://wordpress.org/news/2026/04/student-clubs-build-momentum/">WordPress Student Clubs Build Momentum</a></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Links provided by the guests</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>WordPress.org Education page:<br /><a href="https://wordpress.org/education/">https://wordpress.org/education/</a> (and all subpages)</li>



<li>WordPress Credits Institution application form:<br /><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/handbook/wordpress-credits-contribution-internship-program/#get-involved">https://make.wordpress.org/handbook/wordpress-credits-contribution-internship-program/#get-involved</a></li>



<li>Call for WP Credits mentors and mentor application form:<br /><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/handbook/wordpress-credits-contribution-internship-program/a-guide-for-wp-credits-mentors/call-for-mentors/">https://make.wordpress.org/handbook/wordpress-credits-contribution-internship-program/a-guide-for-wp-credits-mentors/call-for-mentors/</a></li>



<li>Any companies interested in supporting the Credits Program:<br /><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/handbook/wordpress-credits-contribution-internship-program/get-involved-company-guide/">https://make.wordpress.org/handbook/wordpress-credits-contribution-internship-program/get-involved-company-guide/</a></li>



<li>Student form to apply their institution for the Credits Program:<br /><a href="https://airtable.com/appIzQKfwTn5dyPVp/shr6Gf1mMMEAxevw4">https://airtable.com/appIzQKfwTn5dyPVp/shr6Gf1mMMEAxevw4</a></li>



<li><a href="https://make.wordpress.org/community/handbook/education/wordpress-facilitator-training-program/">WordPress Facilitator Training Program</a></li>



<li>Education buzz reports: <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/community/tag/education-buzz/">https://make.wordpress.org/community/tag/education-buzz/</a></li>



<li>Apply to organize a WPCC event: <a href="https://events.wordpress.org/campusconnect/organize/">https://events.wordpress.org/campusconnect/organize</a></li>



<li>Apply to create a student club: <a href="https://make.wordpress.org/community/handbook/education/student-clubs/request-the-creation-of-a-wordpress-student-club/">https://make.wordpress.org/community/handbook/education/student-clubs/request-the-creation-of-a-wordpress-student-club/</a></li>



<li>Ai credentials:<br /><a href="https://wordpress.org/news/2026/02/ai-leaders-credential/">https://wordpress.org/news/2026/02/ai-leaders-credential/</a></li>
</ul>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Guest bios:</h2>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Destiny Kanno</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Destiny Fox Kanno, sponsored contributor acting as a Community Education Programs Manager at Automattic. Destiny works closely with the Community team and Training Team, with a focus on growing, enabling and amplifying WordPress Campus Connect, Student Club, WordPress Credits and other education initiatives.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Anand Upadhyay</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Anand Upadhyay is a long-time WordPress contributor and community advocate based in Ajmer, India. Active in the ecosystem since 2010, he has contributed to several Make WordPress teams including Core, Docs, Community, and Polyglots, with a strong focus on empowering others to get involved. He is the founder of <a href="https://wpvibes.com">WPVibes</a>, a WordPress plugin development company that builds performance-driven tools for WordPress and WooCommerce users.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Anand is also a regular WordCamp speaker, Meetup organiser, and someone deeply committed to bringing WordPress education to students. In 2024, he launched the first WordPress Campus Connect event, which went on to become a global program officially recognised by the WordPress Foundation. Anand continues to support and mentor student communities through events, workshops, and open-source advocacy.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Maciej Pilarski</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Maciej Pilarski is a Community Wrangler at Automattic, where he works on WordPress.org with a focus on educational initiatives that connect the next generation of contributors to the global WordPress community.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As one of the admins behind the WordPress Credits Program, Maciej works with universities across Central &amp; Eastern Europe and Asia to bring students into open source contribution, pairing them with mentors, building institutional partnerships, and helping turn academic coursework into real-world impact on software used by 43% of the web.</p>



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";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:15:"Matt: No Bubble";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:23:"https://ma.tt/?p=153299";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:32:"https://ma.tt/2026/06/no-bubble/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:425:"<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A throwback from 2007: a local Bay Area a cappella group called The Richter Scales made a Webby Award-winning viral video about how that bubble felt. <em>Hat tip: <a href="https://toni.org/">Toni</a>.</em></p>



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";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:56:"WordPress.org blog: Browse the New Mercantile Swag Store";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:35:"https://wordpress.org/news/?p=20930";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:50:"https://wordpress.org/news/2026/06/open-web-merch/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:3868:"<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://mercantile.wordpress.org/">Mercantile</a>, the official swag store of the WordPress project, has a newly redesigned storefront with a catalog that now sits front and center, and a design tuned to hold up across a wide range of screen sizes. There are also small touches, like automatically selecting a variant when only one is in stock and order emails styled to match the look and feel of the store.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Throughout the design, the storefront leans into the history and culture of WordPress. Visual and copy choices nod to familiar elements of the project, from the metabox and the admin bar to Wapuu making the occasional appearance, with small open source and code references for those who look closely. The aim was a storefront that feels uniquely WordPress.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Under the hood, the storefront shows what a modern WordPress and <a href="https://woocommerce.com/">WooCommerce</a> site can do. It is built almost entirely with blocks, including a block-based cart, checkout, mini-cart, and order confirmation, supported by a set of custom theme blocks created for the store. The <a href="https://developer.wordpress.org/block-editor/reference-guides/interactivity-api/iapi-about/">Interactivity API</a> powers the catalog navigation and modal states, the store runs on WordPress 7.0, and accessibility is built in throughout, honoring reduced-motion preferences across animations and meeting color contrast standards. Product pages surface per-product attributes such as size, material, and care, so shoppers have the details they need before adding an item to the cart.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This latest redesign supported the Mercantile booth at <a href="https://europe.wordcamp.org/2026/">WordCamp Europe</a>. To make in-person sales work smoothly, the team enabled local pickup at checkout and added a set of event-only products refined to match the rest of the catalog. Fifty orders were completed at the event using in-person payments, a strong real-world test of the new checkout flow.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There is more on the way! A playful experiment in progress will let curious shoppers explore a text-based version of the store from the command line, a small tribute to the developers who make up much of the WordPress community. Subtle hints pointing the way will appear once it is ready.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The new Mercantile is the work of many contributors who designed, built, tested, and refined it together. Every purchase supports the <a href="https://wordpressfoundation.org/">WordPress Foundation</a>, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, in its mission to democratize publishing and preserve open source software for generations to come. Take a look around and find something you love.</p>



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";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:72:"Open Channels FM: Navigating Burnout in the Age of AI-Driven Development";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:34:"https://openchannels.fm/?p=2555430";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:79:"https://openchannels.fm/navigating-burnout-in-the-age-of-ai-driven-development/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:180:"AI transforms developer workflows, causing cognitive overload and blurring work-rest boundaries. Establishing intentional breaks is crucial to maintain balance and prevent burnout.";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:7:"pubDate";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:31:"Mon, 22 Jun 2026 10:08:08 +0000";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}}s:32:"http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/";a:1:{s:7:"creator";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:8:"Bob Dunn";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}}}}i:47;a:6:{s:4:"data";s:21:"
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:24:"Matt: Hill For A Stepper";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:23:"https://ma.tt/?p=153269";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:35:"https://ma.tt/2026/06/hill-stepper/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:798:"<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In honor of Father&#8217;s Day, I wanted to add to the <a href="https://ma.tt/chuck/">two quotes from my Dad&#8217;s obituary</a>, &#8220;Seven days without chicken made one weak.ΓÇ¥ and  ΓÇ£If you fail at raising your children, nothing else mattered.ΓÇ¥ with another saying he had.</p>



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";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:25:"Matt: Death by PowerPoint";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:23:"https://ma.tt/?p=153252";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:42:"https://ma.tt/2026/06/death-by-powerpoint/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:760:"<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow">
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">ΓÇö Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corps, the Joint Forces commander</p>



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";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:16:"Matt: Best Trash";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:23:"https://ma.tt/?p=153245";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:33:"https://ma.tt/2026/06/best-trash/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:1194:"<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow">
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